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#1 User is offline   skytinkle 

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 02:04 AM

I have recently starting to grow some herbs, problems seems to be coming wave after wave.

Just last week I notice quite a lot of leaves of different plants are starting to look tiny and hard. I did checking on the leaves for pest like aphids and mites but really couldn't really see any of them. There are spots, white, black or reddish brown, but most of the time disappear when I accidentally flick the leaves, appear to be immobile so I thought it was just soil dust sticking on their the hairy leaves.

Basil, could be tulsi, seeds from a Thai friend
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Have already picked off a pair of top leaves, this top most is new growth already but still seemed distorted.

Chocolate mint just got from the recent GDO, was doing pretty well until this. Lost one cutting already because the last big leave was removed by mistake.
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Mother plant of chocolate mint.
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Think this is the only big leaves that is most disturbed, others seems fine.

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One of its stem is covered with yellow spots.


Spearmint/Sweet mint haven't see any distorted new growth yet, but some old leaves is turning yellow.
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Also my lemon balm too, after removing the harden leaves they seem to be ok for now, but the edges are browning could be due to heat and dryness and also a repot.

Is it pest? Or rust fungus? But the basils shouldn't be affect also right?

For now I had make a very very very mild soap spray with cooking oil, half teaspoon of dish soap and 1 tsp of oil to 1 liter of water, about 3 times already, also uprooted all of them to check the roots, no mealys at least.

Have not seen any good new growth yet, they seems to slow down a lot as compared to previous weeks. Should I continue with this soapy oil spray or I need to do other stuff? Haven't have a chance to eat them already kena eaten. :(/>/>/>

Thanks a lot. I still have other problems which need advice too, gardening is so HARD and STRESSFUL!
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Posted 11 November 2016 - 11:15 AM

Did you add any coffee grounds to the soil?
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Posted 11 November 2016 - 03:50 PM

Not directly, but I compose them for a few months before using the soil. Too acidic? And I also fed them Horti seaweed and Epsom salt prior to this.
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Posted 11 November 2016 - 04:27 PM

View Postskytinkle, on 11 November 2016 - 03:50 PM, said:

Not directly, but I compose them for a few months before using the soil. Too acidic? And I also fed them Horti seaweed and Epsom salt prior to this.


Seaweed extract is good. Epsom salt I have little experience but I'm sure you will be careful with the amount to use.

But I do have some reservations with regards to the use of coffee grounds and it's not the acidity. I had some experience with coffee grounds. They have a tendency of making your plants look a little brown, a little bronze in color.

This browning of the stems and leaves is also very typical of thrips attack. But I'm guessing it is not, as you are already spraying with some soap. Do keep in mind that soap does not necessarily remove thrips but it will possibly act as an irritant to them.

With regards to the new leaves, I would give them some time to see if they straighten out on their own. They don't look like anything major for now.

I'm not sure if scales would affect these mint plants. But baby scales do look like these tiny yellow spots.

You are finding it stressful because you care for your plants. But gardening shouldn't hard. The pests that I hate most in plants are thrips and spider mites. If they do infest my plants and if I couldn't find any further reason to keep them, I'll discard the plants. I do have some remedies but it will be a lot of work. But I will always find easier and less stressful plants to grow.
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Posted 12 November 2016 - 12:35 PM

View PostGreyfingers, on 11 November 2016 - 04:27 PM, said:

Seaweed extract is good. Epsom salt I have little experience but I'm sure you will be careful with the amount to use.

But I do have some reservations with regards to the use of coffee grounds and it's not the acidity. I had some experience with coffee grounds. They have a tendency of making your plants look a little brown, a little bronze in color.

This browning of the stems and leaves is also very typical of thrips attack. But I'm guessing it is not, as you are already spraying with some soap. Do keep in mind that soap does not necessarily remove thrips but it will possibly act as an irritant to them.

With regards to the new leaves, I would give them some time to see if they straighten out on their own. They don't look like anything major for now.

I'm not sure if scales would affect these mint plants. But baby scales do look like these tiny yellow spots.

You are finding it stressful because you care for your plants. But gardening shouldn't hard. The pests that I hate most in plants are thrips and spider mites. If they do infest my plants and if I couldn't find any further reason to keep them, I'll discard the plants. I do have some remedies but it will be a lot of work. But I will always find easier and less stressful plants to grow.



Thanks for taking your time to answer.

Yeah I have spent a lot of time and effort to keep this surviving for half a year, completely change my previous house plants routine for these herbs, got really addicted to their smell. And also I was looking forward to this season when my windows are getting good sun, all of them are south facing.

I went googling for the scales you mention, actually I did find some of those on my lemon balms on and off, some time white stuff like mealy bugs. Manage to tweeze them off as they are only like 1 or 2 every time. Suspected thrips too, but they mention they are leaf miners and will leave trails on the leave but I haven't seen any, hopefully haven't lay eggs.

I have more questions here, really all these plants, love and hate.

This scrawny chilli padi seems to be budding? Grown from seed for like 2 3 months only, just topped it off for branching 2 weeks ago.
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Should I let it go blooming? Will it die?

This mint from Horti seeds, but they smells horrible!
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Thought they are sweet mint like the ones I had from nursery, but they have this plastic/rubbery smell to it. Will they change later? or should I discard them for other plants?

The new growth of my fittonia seems very pale, is this normal? Just trimmed and propagate them and all of them are the same. But I don't remember them staying pale for so long previously.
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Have been putting them in the toilet without natural light though, needs sun?

Also about the soapy spray being preventive, is it advisable to keep spraying them on a regular basis even if there is no attack on the plants?
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Posted 12 November 2016 - 07:40 PM

Did you mean you lop(cut) off the top of the chilli plant? Yes I do that too. It's a good way of branching the plants.

All plants grown indoors will slow down in growth rate due to a lack of sunlight. Yellow new leaves may be due to lack of sunlight or could also be due to what you feed your plants with.

I recently fed my plants some seaweed extract and it turned my plants yellow instead of green. So I would say be careful of such organic stuff as the quality depends on where and the stock of seaweed that was harvested. Then again there's no stopping these companies from adding some more chemicals in. I suspect the yellowing in my plants was due to a high potassium content.

One more thing about plants is that too much nutrients can turn your plants sweet and succulent that insects cannot resist.
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Posted 14 November 2016 - 04:34 PM

I see, thanks for the information on the fertilizers.

Now really is do the waiting game on growing out new leaves and will be stopping nutrients too.

Thank you so much.
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Posted 03 December 2016 - 05:46 PM

The same problem happens again, but on my chilli plant. I water with the seaweed fertilizer once and just water after that, few days later new growth became like this.

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Is it the cause of the seaweed solution? But I added lesser as per instructions.
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Posted 04 December 2016 - 03:06 PM

I dont use kelp during flowering. It will cause bud drop.
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Posted 04 December 2016 - 05:45 PM

View Postdigitalgate, on 04 December 2016 - 03:06 PM, said:

I dont use kelp during flowering. It will cause bud drop.


These are flowers? They wasn't there when I water seaweed, they came later. The previous buds removed already, didn't bloom, as most of the leaves fell off when the buds were still on so I pinch off all the buds.
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