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Posted 03 September 2008 - 04:48 AM

View PostMiki, on Sep 2 2008, 10:06 PM, said:

I think we have to clarify here. Neem kills ants on instant contact (ie an insecticide), I have seen it with my own eyes, but I am not sure if it is a preventive spray because it is bio- degradable.

For the paved area in my garden, where the ants dig holes and make their nest, I use Ant Powder.

Even with Ant Powder treatment needs to be repeated bi-monthly... darn ants.

My line of attack: Neem for plants in pots. Ant Powder for other areas with no plants (like ant nests in paving and soil) because I agree with Neverend, chemical powders may effect your plants health.

BTW what is the volume of your bottle of Neem? I paid AUD $30 for a 500ml bottle (very good stuff). The ready mix garden spray is just Neem mix with detergent, it is only slightly more expensive AUD $32.

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Yes, i believe that it kills the ants on contact by suffocating it somehow. Think the effectiveness of neem + detergent will drive the pests away maybe for a day of two before they regroup. Like my case. So is best to spray or pour it regularly to potted plant to discourage them from coming back.

As an experiment, I poured some undiluted neem oil into their nest on the crack of the pavement and they never went back to the same nest again. (They just divert to another crack beside the original one. Boohoo...) Yah, think that organic pesticides are better, water contaminated with the chemical pesticide might run off to your plants. Maybe you can try the white summer oil, undiluted neem oil, coffee powder, grit, baking soda on the nests instead of ant powder? worth a try. :)/>

I paid S$36 for 473ml for my neem oil. about the same as you. :)/> mine is cold press from the indian tree or something.
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Posted 03 September 2008 - 01:47 PM

View PostFaeryberry, on Sep 3 2008, 04:48 AM, said:

Yes, i believe that it kills the ants on contact by suffocating it somehow. Think the effectiveness of neem + detergent will drive the pests away maybe for a day of two before they regroup. Like my case. So is best to spray or pour it regularly to potted plant to discourage them from coming back.

As an experiment, I poured some undiluted neem oil into their nest on the crack of the pavement and they never went back to the same nest again. (They just divert to another crack beside the original one. Boohoo...) Yah, think that organic pesticides are better, water contaminated with the chemical pesticide might run off to your plants. Maybe you can try the white summer oil, undiluted neem oil, coffee powder, grit, baking soda on the nests instead of ant powder? worth a try. :)/>

I paid S$36 for 473ml for my neem oil. about the same as you. :)/> mine is cold press from the indian tree or something.


i bought my neem oil from the same place.. the indian guy at the shop told me to mix abt 5ml of neem oil to 1 litre of water.. no mention of detergent..
i tried only once on monday night.. until now only saw a few ants coming back.. maybe i try mixing with detergent and spray again..
the ants love my orchids very much.. alamak..
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Posted 04 September 2008 - 01:45 AM

CAN some kind souls pls help to summarise ---> how to get rid of ants?? i read until i :wacko:/> .
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Posted 04 September 2008 - 05:02 AM

yah totoro47, he never mention detergent to me too. i learn from miki that detergent helps to emulsify the neem oil. In my home, the ants love everything i grow. Sigh...

Hi five, i will try to summarise,

Miki says neem oil + detergent = good for killing and prevention of pests, best use it regularly because it will break down
says use 1 litre of water, mix 5ml detergent and 5-10 ml Neem oil. Shake vigorously and use in spray bottles.
got cheap and also got ex one. range from $6 to $36

got other remedies

like what spheredome says here:

"using small packet of ant bait pellets (not the plastic cake) or Combat Gel from Homefix near nests.... becomes less effective as the generation grews more experience and learn to avoid them"
"pour strong sugar solution a distant away couple inches in area either floor or wall (where it seeps). Some ants will swam in next morning and you spray the ant and ants along their trail with waterbase baygon (bec its short lasting) and wash off the sugar solution.
Repeat daily and soon (about 3-4 days) you will see swam gets larger and bigger type of class ants appearing which is a sign their numbers are depleting."
er... i personally like this, it kind of appeal to my sadistic nature.

or use coffee powder (will renders the soil more acidic) like what pertunia lee recommends
or baking soda (will alkify the soil like what neverend says) and grit or bran will make ants explode when they eat them. (hehehe, *rub hand*)
or white summer oil also helps
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Posted 10 September 2008 - 06:38 PM

hihi :)/> [i just joined yesterday, this forum is like a treasure trove of information! omg]
i've got ant problems too..they are FARMING aphids on all 4 of my chili plants..i'm gonna try the coffee powder now..
but, what is grit? i wanna buy neem oil, sounds soo useful (use on my petunias!)..
thxthx all! :D/>
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Posted 10 September 2008 - 08:18 PM

View Postmindy, on Sep 10 2008, 06:38 PM, said:

hihi :)/> [i just joined yesterday, this forum is like a treasure trove of information! omg]
i've got ant problems too..they are FARMING aphids on all 4 of my chili plants..i'm gonna try the coffee powder now..
but, what is grit? i wanna buy neem oil, sounds soo useful (use on my petunias!)..
thxthx all! :D/>



Ummmm... just to be sure... I told my friend coffee powder, and she put 3-in-1. So, I think I better specify that it's instant coffee fine powder (not granules) that I used, no cream, no sugar. Hee! After sprinkle, water enough to wet the soil and get the coffee percolating downwards. Not too much so that you dun dilute the coffee too much.

Be warned that the ants will counter your coffee strategy by moving house out the holes in the bottom of pot. I coffeed my periwnkles and overnight they moved to the rubber tree pot. I coffeed that and they moved to the cracks in my trellises, where I got them with high pressure jets of steam from my Karcher steam cleaner. It was SPECTACULAR! I jetted this side of the crack and a whole spray of ants, nymphs and eggs splattered out the other side of the crack onto the floor. And as luck would have it, I found the huge queen ant being escorted by a whole clutch of worker ants. I collected her and voila... end of colony.

These days, I pour a cup of coffee into all the new pots from nursery just to make them inhospitable in case a colony decides to move house and into the new pot. And I experimented with something else on another colony up on the roof. I mixed a dish of honey with borax, and left it out. I read that it's a home-made slow acting nest poison. There were lotsa ants the first day. The 2nd day, I put out a new dish, and there were fewer ants. On Day 3, the nest had no activity at all. But borax is poisonous so be careful.
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Posted 10 September 2008 - 08:23 PM

View PostFaeryberry, on Sep 4 2008, 05:02 AM, said:

yah totoro47, he never mention detergent to me too. i learn from miki that detergent helps to emulsify the neem oil. In my home, the ants love everything i grow. Sigh...

Hi five, i will try to summarise,

Miki says neem oil + detergent = good for killing and prevention of pests, best use it regularly because it will break down
says use 1 litre of water, mix 5ml detergent and 5-10 ml Neem oil. Shake vigorously and use in spray bottles.
got cheap and also got ex one. range from $6 to $36

got other remedies

like what spheredome says here:

"using small packet of ant bait pellets (not the plastic cake) or Combat Gel from Homefix near nests.... becomes less effective as the generation grews more experience and learn to avoid them"
"pour strong sugar solution a distant away couple inches in area either floor or wall (where it seeps). Some ants will swam in next morning and you spray the ant and ants along their trail with waterbase baygon (bec its short lasting) and wash off the sugar solution.
Repeat daily and soon (about 3-4 days) you will see swam gets larger and bigger type of class ants appearing which is a sign their numbers are depleting."
er... i personally like this, it kind of appeal to my sadistic nature.

or use coffee powder (will renders the soil more acidic) like what pertunia lee recommends
or baking soda (will alkify the soil like what neverend says) and grit or bran will make ants explode when they eat them. (hehehe, *rub hand*)
or white summer oil also helps



Errrrm... for the record, Neverend's point about baking soda is to be well noted. Bicarbonate of soda poisons plants so maybe that can be used on tiles, driveways, kitchen but probably not on soil?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 10:40 AM

*cackle* it's time to make friends with the coffee uncle downstairs!

er i thot the bran thing was for snails/slugs? Ants is exoskeleton right? Can explode? :blink:/>
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 11:21 AM

View Postpetunialee, on Sep 10 2008, 08:18 PM, said:

I mixed a dish of honey with borax, and left it out. I read that it's a home-made slow acting nest poison. There were lotsa ants the first day. The 2nd day, I put out a new dish, and there were fewer ants. On Day 3, the nest had no activity at all. But borax is poisonous so be careful.


where to get borax? thanks!
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 01:41 PM

View Postlazyworm, on Sep 11 2008, 11:21 AM, said:

where to get borax? thanks!


Hi Lazyworm, I fobbed some off my son's chemistry set. It comes in a box that we got from Toys R Us about 5 years back. I heard that you can get it at the laundry section of the supermarket. People use it to wash their clothes. I'm gonna go look 'cos there isn't much left in my son's chemistry set. I'll post here if I find it.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 02:13 PM

View Postpetunialee, on Sep 11 2008, 01:41 PM, said:

Hi Lazyworm, I fobbed some off my son's chemistry set. It comes in a box that we got from Toys R Us about 5 years back. I heard that you can get it at the laundry section of the supermarket. People use it to wash their clothes. I'm gonna go look 'cos there isn't much left in my son's chemistry set. I'll post here if I find it.


please let me know where to get borax when u find it, thanks!
am looking for it to kill that ants that came and "march" around the house.. don't mind they stay at the plants area, but they venture to far!!
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Posted 12 September 2008 - 01:04 PM

View Postlazyworm, on Sep 11 2008, 02:13 PM, said:

please let me know where to get borax when u find it, thanks!
am looking for it to kill that ants that came and "march" around the house.. don't mind they stay at the plants area, but they venture to far!!


Hi Lazyworm,
borax and boric acid can't be found in Singapore. Go Australia, US or maybe Malaysia.
Petunia
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Posted 12 September 2008 - 02:26 PM

thanks! :flowers:/>
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Posted 13 September 2008 - 11:50 PM

the coffee seemed to work.. haven't had time to go study the chillis for a longer time, just had a glanced and i only saw 3.. i dug into the soil before and didn't find any nest so i guess they didn't nest in there..found root mealies only..haha.. and i gave the plant some coffee :)/> looks like ants don't like it much.. but i think i'll have to do the same to the rest of the plants in the garden(omg) or else the ant move their farm there..they seem to have an endless supply of eggs..
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Posted 14 September 2008 - 02:53 AM

View Postmindy, on Sep 13 2008, 11:50 PM, said:

the coffee seemed to work.. haven't had time to go study the chillis for a longer time, just had a glanced and i only saw 3.. i dug into the soil before and didn't find any nest so i guess they didn't nest in there..found root mealies only..haha.. and i gave the plant some coffee :)/> looks like ants don't like it much.. but i think i'll have to do the same to the rest of the plants in the garden(omg) or else the ant move their farm there..they seem to have an endless supply of eggs..


you want more 'lethal' concoction? can try soaking cigarettes in water.. then use the water on the pests. Nicotine is very toxic to some insects/pests just as it is toxic to humans.
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Posted 14 September 2008 - 01:59 PM

hmm..but some plants can't be near tobacco right? i'll try on the chilli, but must fob a cigarette of an uncle first haha.. :D/>
thx!
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Posted 14 September 2008 - 02:55 PM

I managed to find a company that sells the Boric Acid. However, they only sell them in huge 25kg packs!! If there are enough people interested, I can go for a group buy where we can share the 25kg pack... :D/>

View Postpetunialee, on Sep 12 2008, 01:04 PM, said:

Hi Lazyworm,
borax and boric acid can't be found in Singapore. Go Australia, US or maybe Malaysia.
Petunia

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Posted 14 September 2008 - 03:59 PM

Bought this at last night's gathering and thought i'd try a new method:

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk15/fluffymutt/14092008165.jpg

I can see multiple corpses of those damn ants at the bottoms of the pitchers already.

*cackle*

(if you can't see clearly, i've made sure the pitchers are touching the soil/plants in these pots which have a lot of ants which don't die by ant powder)
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Posted 14 September 2008 - 08:40 PM

View Postislaverde, on Sep 14 2008, 02:53 AM, said:

you want more 'lethal' concoction? can try soaking cigarettes in water.. then use the water on the pests. Nicotine is very toxic to some insects/pests just as it is toxic to humans.


Take note that there's also something known as the Tobacco mosaic virus, though whether cigarettes can carry this virus is still debatable...

View Postfluffymutt, on Sep 14 2008, 03:59 PM, said:

Bought this at last night's gathering and thought i'd try a new method:

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk15/fluffymutt/14092008165.jpg

I can see multiple corpses of those damn ants at the bottoms of the pitchers already.

*cackle*

(if you can't see clearly, i've made sure the pitchers are touching the soil/plants in these pots which have a lot of ants which don't die by ant powder)


Haha, nice one, however this method cannot work against nests.... works well for the rest :)/>
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Posted 16 September 2008 - 02:10 PM

View Postapperceive, on Sep 14 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

I managed to find a company that sells the Boric Acid. However, they only sell them in huge 25kg packs!! If there are enough people interested, I can go for a group buy where we can share the 25kg pack... :D/>


how much does 25kg pack cost?
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